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October 31, 2013
GROSSE POINTE FARMS — The idea of transforming the Mack and Moross intersection into a round-about didn’t go over well at a city council candidate forum.

At an Oct. 16 forum sponsored by the League of Women Voters of Grosse Pointe, three incumbent Grosse Pointe Farms councilmembers and single challenger were asked when, if seated by voters in the Tuesday, Nov. 5, they’d improve the traffic pattern for turns at Mack and Moross.


Backups are most onerous when drivers waiting to turn left stack up behind each other, bumper-to-bumper, rather than side-by-side as they’re supposed to.

“It drives me nuts,” said Councilman Louis Theros, seeking a third term. “One thing we looked at is a round-about.”

The forum audience groaned in disapproval.

“It got the same response from council,” Theros said.

An all-out redesign of the intersection could include expanding the roadways onto adjoining private land.

“We’re going to look for some less intrusive means,” said Councilman Peter W. Waldmeir, running for fifth term. “Another big problem is who’s going to pay for it. It’s county property, it’s city property. It would be very expensive.”

Theros suggested a solution may be as simple as posting signs reading, “Don’t stack your cars single file. Stack your cars three across.”

“The simple fix is to put in an island and (lane) striping so you know you can use that second lane to turn,” said Councilman Martin West, serving from 1997 to 2001 and again from 2010.

“I’m against round-about,” said Elizabeth Vogel, a three-time challenger. “Mack and Moross has always been a tricky area. Learning how to drive, I was more afraid of that corner than my road test. I’d like to explore a smaller island (and) painting lines.”

Both Mack and Moross are county roads. They’re the jurisdiction of Wayne County. The county is responsible for their maintenance.

“With that said, we have some involvement,” said Farms Manager Shane Reeside.

Mack in the Farms is scheduled for resurfacing in 2014.

A federal grant pays for 80 percent of the work. The 20 percent balance is paid evenly by the Farms and county.

To redesign the intersection requires county approval, Reeside said.

“Frankly, the county doesn’t have a lot of money for those types for projects,” he said. “So, there’s a good possibility the total cost would have to be incurred by the Farms, unless we’re successful in getting some type of grant funding.”

The Farms Foundation and beautification commission are “interested” in the corner, West said.

“It’s part of a bigger picture of improving the gateway to the Farms,” he said. “You’ll see exploration into that area in a year or two. “

“A safety grant could be used to do the engineering and to pay for some construction costs of re-engineering that intersection,” Reeside said.

A traffic island helps funnel left-turn traffic at the intersection of Mack and Vernier in Grosse Pointe Woods.

“We don’t have quite as much space as at Vernier and Mack,” Reeside said. “But, it’s something we’re looking at. Even though (the Mack and Moross intersection) is not ours, it impacts us and we’re concerned with trying to make it as safe as we can.”


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